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Nope, take a step back.
This whole thing started by Simon talking about how to build a reliable K and how tuners were building problems into the engine. He then mentioned how a K could easily live with 220BHP/160ft/lbs and not fail.

Simon was then challenged to build such an engine and now he's building them.
Remember he's not making a living out of this. I don't know what he�s going to do with the information after he�s proved that it can be done.

I never understood why he was met with such rejection, unless it was that people were offended by some new guy pointing them which mistakes they had made.
Is it a pride thing?

Anyway, now Simon is bringing new information that uncover many details and failures DVA has had. Dave says it�s not true and that we should believe him.
Should we?

I don�t doubt that many can build powerful engines, but Simon�s point has always been of reliability. Don�t forget that.
THAT is the point.
Well, when Simon has completed as many reliable engines as Dave (and others) have done, then maybe we can believe what he says. But on the basis of just the two engines that he is prepared to talk about I am unconvinced.

Anyway, I am glad he has come to realise that you have to throw most of the engine away to get reliable power out of it.

Bernard
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I never understood why he was met with such rejection...
Oh I think you do really Uldis.

I love anybody with passion and I agree Simon has raised and contributed to some very interesting debates; it's important to have differing and challenging views, they can be the seeds of innovation. However, when any post gets personal and confrontational the benefits for everybody just get lost.

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Remember the first posts, he wasn't rude at all, he was very polite.
Also very new to postings and the internet (and actually his typing was very poor).

But this lasted little as he had to go into defensive mode from beng attacked as much (especially at Seloc) and now had come back with a much hardened attitude, to the point that I think it's slightly too aggressive (although only with those who attacked him in the past).

I guess it's part of his net development, he is still to go through a more "balanced" phase, but to each his own.

Obvioulsy he has a quarrell with Dave, and there's nothing we can do about it. If what he says is true, he needs to say it, and if it's not, Dave needs to clarify.

All to the benefit of us, K users
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Mike

since a lot of it reflects on my business I have to respond, if you look at some of the posting times you will see where the time comes from.

Personally I would prefer a quieter life just responding to questions :-))

Dave
perversley tho' some of the really interesting stuff would never had seen the light of day - can't imagine how else the discussions about Pistal Pistons or some of the stuff about valve sizes or exacting measurment of ovality etc etc would have been available someone like me to read ? You know about this stuff so it might seem obvious.... I'm not having a go and i'm really saddened by the way some discussions have went... but its been enlightening and there has been some excellent engineering debate and stuff come out that wouldn't have if it was a simple question of the type you probably got fed up answering?.

That's the beauty of the WWW i guess....
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I never understood why he was met with such rejection...
Oh I think you do really Uldis.

I love anybody with passion and I agree Simon has raised and contributed to some very interesting debates; it's important to have differing and challenging views, they can be the seeds of innovation. However, when any post gets personal and confrontational the benefits for everybody just get lost.

Ian
well... IDG.... not how I saw it unfold....

It did laterly develop a few times into something difficult to digest, but as Uldis says, I also couldn't understand the initial rejection, derision and scorn directed at Simon.... mainly it seemed to be coming from people who had an axe to grind or who felt their experience gave them some authority over Simon's opinions and lack of direct experience.... that it was nothing new..... that it had all been done before.... yada yada..... fact is... unless youwere part of a very very small and select group, you wouldn't have known the stuff in the King K atricle - it might seem like common sense - but for most of us it was only common sense after you read it and more importantly, it gave me real and genuine belief that it was possible to build a mega bhp/litre K-series..... with Reliability

Anyway, not having a go at anyone but I am pretty much on Simon's side for the most part in terms of what he has really been trying to do - just a shame his personality type caused him to rise to bait in a personal way.... but everyone must admit that there have been a few pack-attack's on him ... we all wonder why ? .... its also obvious that he has an undying passion for the Rover K design.... putting EVERYTHING else aside, no-one can be less than impressed and inspired by that
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Don't get me know Rox, I'm not taking sides, and I was refering to all personal and confrontational posts.

I'd just like us all to get a long (and disagree) peacefully, in a very Exiges.com sort of way.

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You seem to have missed the whole point. Simon talks about doing big power K series engines and Dave actually does them.
Bernard
Well said, Bernard

I think Erland is successful in attracting attention and support by giving people a "false hope", especially those who were fed up with a blown highly tuned K, and wanting a new solution.
It's human nature to accept statements they want to hear, and dislike those statements they don't want to hear.

He cleverly mixes the true facts (to get your trust) with false claims that don�t materialize, and information that have been proven wrong by Dave and Bernard before. It�s always easy to bluff, but not so easy to produce solid results.

Those who bothered to trace through the history of his posts (and not get sick of his name calling) will get a clear picture. Unfortuantely, people's memories fade over time, and the false hope keeps coming back.
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Yawn...

Says the guy that went through the trouble of buying pistons and damaging them to have his money back with the whole purpose of getting attention...


Besides, you could have seen my reply to Bernard, THAT was not the original point. It was about reliability. Other people started challenging him to build high powered examples.

Look at it this way: those who have engines by him are very happy. Those who don't, slag him.

Isn't that strange then?
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I try so hard to keep out of all of this.

I agree Simons attitude on here sucks. I have only been around the Exige 'K' series scene for about 18 months, so I don't know or really care what happened before that. I have told Simon the same on several occasions.

However, we are not all stupid day dreamers that are grasping onto some line that an unknokwn guy is spouting like some kind of TV avangalist.

Knowing Simon in person, having spent the time to get to know him and understand what he is trying to do, I holeheartedly support him.

This does not mean that I don't respect Dave Andrews, I have only ever spoken to Dave once for about 5 minutes, so I don't know him at all. This fact is one of the big factors why I try not to jump in to these debates on Simons side. I don't want to alienate Dave against me and I certainly do not want to come accross as one of Simons sheep. I aint nobodys sheep (is that a line from a film?? lol)

Sean..
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Other people started challenging him to build high powered examples.
I don't think that is entirely true Uldis. When Simon first came on here nearly 2 years ago now he was claiming that high BHP engines already existed

"As a point of interest, I have built four engines for friends all of which have been properly toleranced and totally faultless over 18 months minimum on the track ,running as much as 227 bhp"

et al.

All we wanted to know was who was running them and where were the power graphs to substantiate the claims. That's what kicked off the slanging match.

Anyway, we've all been through this before, I don't propose to go on about it.

Bernard
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